Games of June 22, 2012

Game Action Recap -- Same great taste, now with 0g trans fat!

Transactions update:  AAA pitcher Jeff Marquez went to the disabled list with a staph infection.  That opened up a spot in Tacoma for Brian Moran (Talk40 #24) -- "not just a LOOGY anymore."  With that obviously unanticipated event, "developing story" Andrew Kittredge, who had just been sent back to Clinton, turns around and comes back to Jackson.

AAA -- Tacoma 6, Reno 4 [Box]

With all due respect to the Rainiers, the big story here is the jockeying for position and pecking order between Vinnie Catricala (Talk40 #5) and Alex Liddi (Talk40 #7).  As you probably know, Vinnie C. spent the entire first half mired in an ugly slump.  Nevertheless, when Liddi came back down from the big club, Catricala stayed at 3b and Liddi had to find playing time at LF, 1b and DH.  It doesn't necessarily mean much, but on Friday it was Liddi at 3b and Cat in LF.  It's possibly a sign that the organization is souring on Catricala.  Or it could be that the org wants to see if Cat can handle LF better than Liddi (maybe they view 3b as "taken" at the MLB level now).   We'll see.

If it was a challenge, Vinnie responded well, getting his 6th homer, a single and a walk.  Maybe his best game of the year.  His "last 10" stats look more like vintage Vinnie: .351/.455/.649, with five multi-hit games.  Liddi was 0-for-4.

The other big "positioning" news was Nick Franklin (Talk40 #4) at 2b for the second game in a row (no AAA games played at SS).  Lots of chess pieces being moved around here.  Franklin had a single in three at-bats.

And the aforementioned Moran had his AAA debut right off the bat and went 2.0 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 2 K.

AA -- Jackson 7, Huntsville 4 [Box]

New blood at Jackson also continued to do well: Stefen Romero (Talk40 #32) had a double and a single in his 2nd game at AA.  And Nate Tenbrink, not new to AA, but playing there for the first time since last July (due to injury), had a single and three walks.

On the mound, it was the usual magic from Carter Capps (Talk40 #8A): 1.0 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 2 K.

High-A -- High Desert 6, Inland Empire 5 [Box]

More "positioning" news in High Desert.  I don't know if it related to 2b Romero moving up, but Steven Proscia (Talk40 #26) played 3b for the first time in a long while.  Proscia played 1b exclusively when he was promoted to Jackson.  It worked out well at the plate, with Proscia getting his 12th HR of the season and a single as well.  His college buddy John Hicks (26intheMix) had two hits also.

Low-A -- Clinton 6, Kane County 1 [Box]

Steven Baron (Talk40 #38) is destined to move down one notch on the catching depth chart once Mike Zunino is signed, but he seems to be working hard to prove that his bat is not a complete waste.  He had two more hits on Friday for a .263/.301/.407 line.  Jamal Austin (26intheMix) had a single and a double.

Reliever Joshua Corrales (26intheMix) is having his second straight year of microscopic ERA.  Another scoreless inning drops it to 1.48 (it was 0.33 last year).

Rookie -- Princeton 2, Pulaski 1 [Box]

And, speaking of catchers trying to show they can hit, Tyler Marlette (26intheMix) had two doubles for Pulaski.  Some think Marlette may end up as the best of the lot (excluding Zunino, I suppose).

Comments

And isn't that reflected in the M's treatment of him?  No 'punishment' whatsoever for the two full months' worth of head-hanging?

Correct me if I'm wrong:  seems I remember Shin-Soo Choo going through a lousy half year when Hargrove powerflushed him... did not affect the inherent talent underneath, and ML orgs react accordingly... M's weren't that ML of an org in the Choo days, but Grandmaster Zduriencik has seen it all before...

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Told him we were looking forward to seeing him in the bigs. Vinnie's reply? "I am, too." Lonnie pointed out slump-y body language in his first at-bat, a terrible K that sent him back to the dugout shaking his head. We'd noted that watching some Tacoma games on video this year too.

From the 2nd at-bat on he had different language up there. He came out of the dugout a new man and was firing balls all over the park. Even his out after that was a hard shot.

So, uh...you're welcome? *laughs* Lonnie and I live to serve. He's getting it figured out. I thought for a while it was focusing too hard on defense that is messing with him at the plate. Either that or the hitting coach tied him in knots. Now I just want him to crawl out of the hole in whatever way he can. If he has to move to LF, fine. If we need to fire the hitting coach, fine. (you know what I mean)

It was good to see him swing the bat the way I expected him to all year, though.

Other thoughts re: that game...

- Nick Franklin was playing 2nd AGAIN. Now, he played 2nd in Jackson some as well, but never for 3 or 4 days in a row. And it's not like he's giving up the position to some glove whiz: this is Triunfel, who did a pretty spinning throw maneuver that went 10 feet beyond the first baseman and winged WAY into the stands, then botched a simple grounder right through the wickets.

Maybe they have Franklin at 2nd so as not to ruffle Triunfel. It was nice to see Carlos bust it down the line on grounders, nearly beating one out. Good to see him apologize to the pitcher after blowing the grounder - he never would have done that 2 years ago. But I don't think he's lead-dog at SS by any means, so if this continues with Franklin at 2nd, my question is, "Why?"

The answer might be that he looks really smooth there. Good on feeds and transfers and throws to first. Nice and easy, and his arm plays well there. His positioning was weird at times, but that might have been a dugout call or compensating for Triunfel, because he was awfully close to the 2B bag last night.

He was the one coming out to talk to the pitcher, though. Moore would come out, Franklin would come in. Could have been because of his familiarity with Hultzen, but Nick is a leader type. From a distance, just standing in the field, he looks...kinda scrawny. Up close he looks like corded muscle and the baggy uni is a lie of camouflage. Everything he made contact with was smoked last night. He got a lil unlucky on hitting it straight to a fielder a couple of times but he was crushing the ball (as a lefty). He seems to lean back in his stance more than I remember him doing, with a WIDE base, but his weight transfer is great.

I really want him to work out at short, but if they feel his errors are too high and aren't getting better, well... his error rate at 2nd is 30% of what it is at short. That's a problem that immediately takes care of itself with a position change. Y'know...if you need him on the big club sooner rather than later, or somebody else does.

- Hultzen looked terrible. He was 89-91 all night with his fastball, and the radar gun might have be a mph or 2 shy...maybe. He couldn't throw it in the zone if you'd paid him. He was walking guys on 4 pitches, and it wasn't close. They stopped swinging at his breaking ball (which was a shame, since it was his only good pitch) and he wouldn't throw the changeup enough.

So, note to self: Danny without a heater looks like Cha Seung Baek. It was rough.

Looked like a combination of a few things: first AAA start, altitude, and maybe rest. The Rainiers had a late game last night and a bit earlier game today, with a time-zone change. They got off the plane and came to the park on a few hours sleep. Maybe Danny's a biorhythm guy, or forgot to drink water at altitude.

He also had trouble with the movement on his stuff. He started burying pitches in the dirt (scored a run on a WP) in about the 2nd inning, I think due to overgripping to get some break at altitude. That's when the Sox started ignoring his breaking stuff. His fastballs weren't breaking back in over the plate and he was getting visibly frustrated.

Still, that's when you call for the changeup. Looks like a fastball, get THAT over the plate, see what happens. But Moore didn't do that - maybe not knowing Danny's repertoire or forgetting he's at the highest-elevation park in all the land.

And then there's the luck factor. Hultzen got a guy to foul a ball off the handle that curved lazily over first base to dance on the line and plate runs. He got another to hit a pop-single between Franklin and Mike Wilson. Nobody clubbed him around the park - though we had a good time joining in with the Rainiers in crying "Foul" when the umps ruled a fly ball that didn't even MAKE it to the foul pole let alone stay fair was a HR. The entire bullpen jumped up screaming, Liddi came running in like he was gonna strangle a Blue... it was good times.

They huddled up and reversed it, so good for them. But that was the farthest any ball was hit on Hultzen. Unfortunately the walks + bloop hits added up and he gave up a ton of runs.

It wasn't what I came to the park to see, but it's not exactly a death knell for the kid either. Just not what you expect from one of the 5 best pitchers in the minors. That's all the excuse the Mariners need to hold him down there til the trading deadline now. See ya at the end of July in teal, kid.

~G

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If Ackley at 1B be showing up in the tea leaves, 'twill be the closest thing to a Darin Erstad situation since Erstad himself...

Smallish 1B with excellent speed, game-changing defense and a couple of finishes in the MVP voting despite a 110-120 OPS+ ... 

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Is now the head coach of the Nebraska baseball team, where he played and was also the punter for the 1994 national championship football team.

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They've been, um, Stalking this kind of situation for about 15 years.  One in which a dozen bright prospects start to jell at AAA/MLB, all with the ability to play 2-4 different positions.

Now here they are.  It's a funny thing:  now that we're here, I'm a little underwhelmed by the fact that there are so many variations.  

I mean, Seager's the 3B, right?  It's not like it's a miracle to be able to move a SS (Franklin) to 2B in order to make room for another SS (Triunfel).  You can do that with SS's.

..............

Still, if it jells to a Billy Beane MLB roster, 13 semi-regular guys all playing a ton, and mix/matching against given starters, THAT will be cool.  It would be the game-to-game flexibility that would interest me, if they had the guts to push it.

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moethedogHe hasn't made an error all year (he reallly is GG stuff), but he's getting worse at the plate. Nearly 1/3 of the way through the season and he has 5 XB hits.35 min 29 sec ago
moethedogIn Ackley's last 757 AB's, he's had 41 x-base hits. I also wrote that the time was nigh where we had to consider moving him to Tacoma and letting him try to learn how to hit the ball hard again. I think we're there. OK, give him this weekend....and if he continues the o-fers, you have consider it at that point. He gets continually pounded away right now and he gives it a head-down arm swing that just doesn't hit the ball hard. Add the fact that he's having a hard time pulling the trigger and you have a disater occuring. In '12, he was about .250-.320-.370 for the first two months. Then he hit .220, .173, .257, .198 over the next 4 months.....with a corresponing OBP and Slg. collapse. He hit .253 in the 1st month this year, he's hit .153 since. Even more telling is that he hit .215 vs. RHP last year and he's at .207 this year. Over the last 365 days, he's at .216-.284-.301, basically what he's doing this year. He's L-O-S-T.37 min 4 sec ago
moethedogYou can see why his hit chart to LF looks so ugly. I would think you might have him crowd the plate and challenge guys to throw it in on his hands....man, try something else! I think he has a bunch of hitting left in him. But he has to find Dustin Ackley again. If we weren't moving Ryan out when he was completely pathetic, we aren't dong it now. Maybe the wait on Franklin is really a wait on Ackley. Very plausible. We're to the point where it has to be a likely. I would support it. G and Doc, chime in on this one, if you would.38 min 37 sec ago
DaddyOAfter looking at it, Mal, 2007 IS the closest they came to the proffered paradigm. Still, on September 20th they were 9-1/2 games out, finishing 6 games out. And if you want to call that "glory," or the beginning of the turnaround, you know the history since then. Others can be the judge of whether my choice of the word "never" is nullified as hyperbole.1 hour 21 min ago
okdanOn Ryan vs. Ackley. That seems hard to believe, but it's absolutely true. I didn't realize Ackley had been *that* bad. Ackley: .213/.276/.260 Ryan: .202/.270/.2631 hour 22 min ago
DaddyOAlso noticed that the M's team OPS+ is 99; what's really bringing them down is the pitching with an ERA+ of 88.1 hour 26 min ago
malcontent2007 mimicked1 hour 26 min ago
DaddyOJust noticed that with Brendan Ryan's sudden hot streak, he and Dustin Ackley have nearly identical batting lines for the year.1 hour 27 min ago
DaddyOOne other familiarity for M's fans about this time of the season is the annual trotting out of the list of teams from the past who, having been in the Mariners' plight, turned things around and went on to glorious exploits. Acknowledging that there is SOME precedent that introduces SOME hope despite early season failures, the clear omissions of such arguments are: (1) The odds that the M's follow in the path of those teams is the ratio of the few teams that did it to the vast majority of teams whose early seasons were truly indicators of the rest of their seasons. And (2), in the last decade during which this scenario has been held out to us, the M's have trended with the odds rather than the exceptions. I say trended, they have NEVER mimicked the exceptions.1 hour 37 min ago
MtGrizzlyChurchill with an interesting look at Zunino's numbers. His home/road splits are extreme: Home: (5-for-65) .077/.162/.200, HR, 3B, 3-2B, 4 BB, 25 SO. Road: (26-for-59) .377/.430/.826, 7 HR, 1-3B, 8-2B, 7 BB, 19 SO There is a lot more. http://prospectinsider.com/view/mike-zunino-stat-pack/2 hours 17 min ago
rick82On This Date in 2003, the Florida Marlins were entering play 21-29, 12.5 games behind the juggeranaut Atlanta Braves. Did this deter them? No! they fought and clawed the rest of the season, until they ended the regular season a mere TEN games behind the Braves. BUT, they did win the wild card with their 91 victories and went on to beat the Yankees 4-2 in thw World Series.2 hours 57 min ago
rick82Looking at the game log, it appears to me Paxton got dinked to death more than lit up. No extra base hits. His own error kept the big inning alive. Lots of ground ball singles, bunts for base hits, and K's by swinging. I wouldn't call it a bad outing, more a bad luck outing.3 hours 18 min ago
DaddyOThings are starting to feel awfully familiar for M's fans. As June looms, the team swoons, our hopes on fumes with ROOT gettin' fewer tunes.3 hours 42 min ago
GLSPaxton got lit up tonight, which is too bad. I feel like, if the guy could put five quality starts together, they'd bring him up. Drayer says Brad Miller is on his way to Tacoma, which means we'll have our top 4 position player prospects on the same team in Zunino, Franklin, Miller, and Romero. I have to believe Walker will be up (to Tacoma) pretty soon as well.11 hours 40 min ago
phxterryNever saw a play like that double play ball caught by their pitcher. You know your luck is running bad when calls like that go against you. Just weird.12 hours 44 min ago
blissedjThanks for that G! More depth. We should have about 8-10 young guys fighting for the 3-5 spots next year. Hopefully no more Silva/Weaver/Bautista/Saunders/Millwood/Harang for us. Just cycle em through and see who sticks.13 hours 57 min ago
Gordon GrossI actually like Elias a lot. I remember when we got him his command and mechanics were supposed to be a problem, but I have NOT seen that. The Ms did good work with him down in A-ball to get him straight and he's learned quickly. His velo is fine for a lefty, and he's a smart pitcher. I don't like Cuban hitters but Cuban pitchers are an entirely different story. He's one I wanna keep around.14 hours 2 min ago
malcontentIt makes me sad that Adrian Beltre will probably go into the Hall of Fame as a Ranger.14 hours 11 min ago
blissedjG are you an Elias fan? Don't recall your take on him. Nice year in Cal league, good so far this year as well.14 hours 12 min ago
Gordon GrossNo argument, blissed - we definitely wait with starters. Which is funny because we throw relievers at the bigs like they're logs for the fire. Maurer got the surprise bump this year, and Pineda got it a couple years ago, but for the most part we're pretty shy about trusting young starters. I knew Paxton would be hard for this team to swallow (too many walks) and Walker is the same right now. It's not a coincidence that Maurer has a great minor league K:BB to go with good stuff. That's a comfort zone for us. I don't find anything comfortable about Harang and Saunders at the moment.14 hours 19 min ago